00:56:15 @linear StephenLynx: see /who.html 00:56:16 @linear on 8ch.net 00:56:20 StephenLynx for 8ch.net 00:56:40 StephenLynx and whats suspicious about how jim got to own 8ch? 00:57:04 StephenLynx unless we are talking about high level government stuff like HW being legally forced to transfer it to him. 00:57:19 StephenLynx and then being put under a NDA 00:57:19 @linear as in, read https://8ch.net/who.html 00:57:40 StephenLynx I know. 00:57:59 Bui jim and hiro have different stories 00:57:59 __uguu__ lol 00:58:05 StephenLynx what I asked originally was: 00:58:10 __uguu__ i wouldn't trust a word that hiro says 00:58:26 StephenLynx if the version we got from jim and HW is false, how else would jim take over 2ch domain? 00:58:50 Bui hiro was using nttec as a registrar 00:59:00 StephenLynx hm 00:59:00 __uguu__ was? 00:59:06 StephenLynx you sure? 00:59:07 Bui that's what he says on /qa/ 00:59:14 StephenLynx hm 00:59:21 Bui First of all, NT technology, which is owned by Jim Watkins, were a hosting company which hosted 2ch.net servers. 00:59:21 Bui Also, they provided domain privacy protection services. 00:59:21 Bui I used their services. 00:59:21 Bui "I" means (Packet monsters Inc. and I) in all later sentences. 01:00:01 __uguu__ so jim seized 2ch.net's dns and redirected it to his stuff, then hiro did dns poisoning to try to get it back, then did DDoS to the new 2ch.net servers? 01:00:14 StephenLynx well, I did read that privacy domain protection services put the provider as the owner of the domain. 01:00:34 __uguu__ wait... they are a registrar and host right? 01:00:43 Bui yes 01:00:55 StephenLynx plausible, IMO. do we have any evidence hiro was actually using this service from jim? 01:01:34 StephenLynx this case will be pretty interesting to follow. 01:01:56 StephenLynx as both parties will probably have to show publicly available evidence of their claims. 01:02:56 __uguu__ so hiro is a malice phallus that did shady things to a top site in japan that he ran and then his host, jim took it from him. legally shaky on jim's side unless there's something in japanese law that would allow that 01:03:15 StephenLynx and when jim and hiro was each one taking one source of revenue, who was getting what, again? who was making money from the passes? 01:03:23 __uguu__ if hiro owns the copyright for 2ch.net that'd be a killer right there 01:03:35 ~copypaste lol 01:03:38 ~copypaste domain "copyright"? 01:03:43 __uguu__ "brand" copyright 01:03:45 Bui StephenLynx: jim 01:03:52 StephenLynx ok, now this is what is odd: 01:03:54 Bui or so hiro caims 01:03:56 Bui claims 01:03:58 __uguu__ rather, that'd be trademark 01:04:02 ~copypaste What Hiro isn't telling you is that he would give it to Jim to avoid Japanese lawsuits. 01:04:07 ~copypaste And other legal trouble 01:04:16 ~copypaste And then they had a gentleman's agreement that he'd give it back 01:04:25 StephenLynx jim was making money from the passes and yet hiro had that much access to this data without jim knowing? 01:04:29 dusty that's what I got from the doraemon comic 01:04:30 __uguu__ interdasin 01:05:05 ~copypaste When the big drama happened, Jim only really had one customer for his hosting business that had any users: 2ch 01:05:10 ~copypaste That's the real reason he didn't give it back. 01:05:37 __uguu__ does hiro actually own anything with regards to 2channel? IP or domains? 01:05:44 ~copypaste Nope. 01:05:57 __uguu__ no intellectual property? no dns records? he's just a fuckshit? 01:06:05 ~copypaste He already went before ICANN to demand it back. 01:06:07 ~copypaste ICANN refused. 01:06:15 __uguu__ huehuhhehuhuhuhue 01:06:16 ~copypaste That's over. Hiro has no claim to 2ch. 01:06:49 Bui why is he suing jim then 01:06:58 ~copypaste ?('?`?)? 01:07:05 ~copypaste People start frivolous lawsuits all the time. 01:07:10 ~copypaste What country is the suit in? 01:07:12 ~copypaste Japan? 01:07:15 @linear yeah 01:07:17 @linear I think so 01:07:31 ~copypaste Perhaps he's doing that to get some evidence for ICANN 01:07:37 ~copypaste I'm sure Jim will meet him in court 01:07:49 ~copypaste I don't know the whole story since I wasn't there for most of it 01:08:01 ~copypaste I just know what I've been told and what I've found in research, and Jim has the best case 01:08:22 dusty copypaste, how come he own 8ch and not you? 01:08:28 ~copypaste Read who.html. 01:08:30 StephenLynx yeah, the fact nothing happened since jim took over 2ch inspires some confidence. 01:08:31 __uguu__ probably money 01:08:32 dusty I did ;; 01:09:25 StephenLynx tl,dr; HW was in the shitter, jim offered to save it if he became the owner of it. 01:09:41 @linear tl;dr everything is fire 01:09:49 Bui what about this http://2ch.sc/www2chscindex.html 01:09:55 Bui is that just the same story 01:10:17 ~copypaste 2ch.sc is not 2ch.net. 01:10:23 ~copypaste Who cares who owns a clone? 01:10:26 Doke copypaste: what about all the people saying Jim is going to datamine the site, is there even a way that can happen without you noticing? 01:10:59 ~copypaste Oh, sure. 01:11:22 ~copypaste He could conspire with the datacenter admins on the ground to do that if he was really skilled, I'd probably notice though. 01:11:28 ~copypaste Like, cloning the MySQL DB, etc 01:11:38 ~copypaste Anyone with physical access to the servers can do that. 01:12:14 ~copypaste I doubt Jim would do that though. He's ran 2channel with integrity, especially for a foreigner. 01:12:15 Doke is there the smallest though in your mind that he is like people are jumping ship to conclude just because he was around the founder of 2ch? 01:12:22 Doke thought 01:12:35 ~copypaste "that he is like people are jumping ship to conclude" 01:12:36 Bui Doke: IA was shitposting 01:12:40 ~copypaste I don't know where you learned English 01:12:45 ~copypaste But consider a new school 01:12:59 StephenLynx considering how you can use means to be trully anonymous on 8c, I don't think theres any interest on anyone on datamining 8c 01:13:06 StephenLynx also, 8c doesn't have passes 01:13:15 Doke I am sorry im rushing because im at work, is there the smallest idea in your head that he _might_ be doing it? copypaste 01:13:32 ~copypaste I doubt Jim is doing it. His technical skills are mostly stuck in 1999. 01:13:58 ~copypaste sync; sync; sync 01:13:59 ~copypaste ( ???) 01:14:30 ~copypaste I also doubt he's ordering any of the datacenter guys to do it, and to lie to me at the same time. 01:14:45 dusty lol yeah he looks old 01:14:47 Bui >Thus, because they have an illegal takeover of services and domain, it is a two-channel current situation. 01:15:14 ~copypaste Well Bui, he transferred ownership to NTTech and put the site in Jim's name to avoid lawsuits. 01:15:27 ~copypaste It's legal. Maybe not ethical, but legal. I even think it's ethical given his conduct as 2ch's admin. 01:15:36 ~copypaste He got what was coming to him. 01:16:38 dusty thanks copypaste good to hear 01:16:42 Bui but I'm conflicted, hiro says he never had access to the '2ch pass servers' 01:16:44 Bui is that a lie 01:17:05 StephenLynx he had it at some point. 01:17:16 ~copypaste So, he both owned 2ch and it was illegally taken over 01:17:22 ~copypaste Or he didn't own it and had no access? 01:17:25 ~copypaste What is his claim? 01:17:34 Bui https://boards.4chan.org/qa/thread/183913#p192022 01:18:44 ~copypaste I'm saying whatever he writes that his claim is conflicting 01:19:13 StephenLynx I also don't trust hiro because he made business with moot. 01:19:15 ~copypaste Why would he entrust something like the authorship of the pass services and the administration of the servers to NTTech if NTTech didn't own it? 01:19:57 ~copypaste He blames NTTech for it being hacked by "crackers", but if he owned 2ch he would be to blame since he would be responsible for the faulty software. 01:20:10 ~copypaste As I said, his claim makes no sense. 01:20:41 ~copypaste Anyway, perhaps the claim will come out in court. 01:20:55 ~copypaste I don't pretend to know everything. But I seriously doubt he is telling the truth, given how many people are against him. 01:20:59 Bui it'll be interesting 01:21:13 ~copypaste If he were the true 2ch owner, and Jim was at fault, everyone would defect from 2ch. 01:21:17 ~copypaste Yet 2ch got 3 million posts yesterday 01:21:27 ~copypaste And has grown steadily each month with Jim's guidance 01:21:32 StephenLynx daium 01:21:41 ~copypaste I think the Japanese know this situation better than us 01:21:44 StephenLynx I wonder if jim would be interested in adopting lynxchan :v 01:21:45 ~copypaste To be honest 01:21:54 ~copypaste He wouldn't. 2ch has no content expiration. 01:21:58 ~copypaste 2ch also has no images. 01:22:03 StephenLynx no biggie. 01:22:16 StephenLynx I can write addons to adapt lynxchan in less than a day. 01:22:21 ~copypaste hehe 01:22:27 ~copypaste Maybe ask him then ( ???-) 01:22:31 StephenLynx will do :v 01:22:36 StephenLynx I am just biding my time. 01:24:06 StephenLynx what is 2ch's back-end made on? 01:24:08 StephenLynx PHP? 01:24:11 ~copypaste btw Bui http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/2ch.net 01:24:36 Bui huh 01:24:38 dusty its incredible watching bui fabricate ALL OF THIS 01:24:50 __uguu__ :^) 01:24:54 dusty a true mastermind of the rumor mill 01:24:54 ~copypaste February 2014 was the takeover. 01:25:03 __uguu__ rank 23 lol 01:25:06 ~copypaste You can see how big has grown since then. 01:25:27 Bui http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/2ch.sc 01:25:29 Bui heh 01:25:51 ~copypaste lol 01:25:55 StephenLynx what happened that caused it to drop that much? 01:26:05 ~copypaste Google changed their search algo 01:26:08 StephenLynx ah 01:26:18 ~copypaste 2ch.sc aggressively scrapes 2ch.net 01:26:28 ~copypaste To try to get Google results & users 01:26:37 ~copypaste But Google caught on that 2ch.sc was just a copy site 01:26:45 ~copypaste And prioritized 2ch.net over it and 2ch.sc's rank tanked. 01:26:48 Bui why is 2ch.sc so popular though? is it just japs who aren't aware 01:27:03 StephenLynx normies are normies all around the world. 01:27:08 ~copypaste Rank 362 vs 26? 01:27:22 Bui both ranks 01:27:24 ~copypaste Hiroyuki also is on the board of Nico Nico Douga (Japanese YouTube) 01:27:26 ~copypaste and shills it from there 01:27:28 __uguu__ LOL 01:27:38 Bui oh 01:27:49 ~copypaste However the search engines were the main thing 01:28:08 dusty hiro is like the exact kindof person japanese salaryman wants his son to NOT become 01:28:46 ~copypaste The next few months will be interesting if nothing else 01:28:46 Bui what does jim plan to do with 4ch.sc, I wonder 01:28:59 ~copypaste Bui: I know what the plan is :^)