[23:05] <hehpillerpro_> is this pm? [23:05] <hehpillerpro_> wtf does query mean [23:06] <faggetttss> yea [23:06] <faggetttss> this is pm [23:06] <hehpillerpro_> duder why didnt you delete my /pol/ thread yet [23:07] <hehpillerpro_> p confused tbh, normally you guys are on the ball [23:08] <faggetttss> its funny [23:08] <faggetttss> ur thread is the hw 'rape' thread right? [23:08] <hehpillerpro_> yeh, hasn't stopped you before though [23:08] <hehpillerpro_> probably the worst part about /pol/ tbh, the funniest threads get moderated [23:09] <faggetttss> usually the bait threads are p low energy [23:09] <hehpillerpro_> if they are low energy, then let them die [23:09] <faggetttss> this one has some class [23:09] <hehpillerpro_> if a bait thread is truly terrible, it will die [23:09] <hehpillerpro_> if a bait thread is high quality, it will survive [23:10] <faggetttss> u have a pont [23:10] <faggetttss> point* [23:11] <hehpillerpro_> maybe, i guess it depends - do you want the users to decide what to post and read? or should you and the mods choose? [23:11] <faggetttss> a mixture of both [23:12] <hehpillerpro_> and when the mods give a 4 week ban to posts they dont like? what's that? [23:12] <faggetttss> if its politics it stays on [23:12] <hehpillerpro_> and who defines that? [23:12] <faggetttss> well if ur referring to "/int*/" related bans [23:13] <hehpillerpro_> No. [23:13] <hehpillerpro_> I'm referring to bans generally. [23:13] <hehpillerpro_> I'm asking - who defines what is politics? [23:13] <faggetttss> there wound up being a pretty big rift between the boards [23:13] <faggetttss> if you didn't notice [23:13] <faggetttss> mods [23:13] <hehpillerpro_> Exactly. [23:13] <hehpillerpro_> That is our point. [23:13] <hehpillerpro_> Now maybe we are wrong, but that is our point. [23:14] <hehpillerpro_> The fundamental issue with moderation is that you choose what the users are allowed to post, and more importantly, allowed to read. Rather than the users themselves. [23:14] <faggetttss> and one of your main points is strict user moderated boards [23:14] <faggetttss> i get it [23:14] <hehpillerpro_> Did you post on 4/pol/? [23:14] <faggetttss> and the fundamental issue with user only moderated boards is that they devolve into incessant spam [23:15] <faggetttss> i used to [23:15] <hehpillerpro_> Do you remember how, if you posted anything remotely PC on 4chan, people would always say go back to /pol/? [23:15] <faggetttss> u mean unPV [23:15] <faggetttss> *unPC [23:15] <hehpillerpro_> You see, /pol/ used to actually be a bastion of free speech - one of the few boards on 4chan that wasn't rulecucked. [23:15] <hehpillerpro_> unpc, yeah [23:16] <faggetttss> and it happens on most other boards here too [23:16] <faggetttss> here is the thing tho [23:16] <hehpillerpro_> The only difference being that /pol/ is no longer a place for free expression. [23:16] <faggetttss> they nuked off-topic threads there as well [23:16] <hehpillerpro_> Did they? [23:16] <hehpillerpro_> Hah. [23:16] <faggetttss> not politics/off topic [23:16] <faggetttss> early on no [23:16] <faggetttss> later on yes [23:16] <hehpillerpro_> Well you have a point, there is a difference. [23:17] <hehpillerpro_> You see, they'd ban for three days. [23:17] <hehpillerpro_> You ban for 4 weeks. [23:17] <faggetttss> i often repeal bans [23:17] <faggetttss> you can check logs [23:17] <faggetttss> now if you really do have an issue [23:18] <faggetttss> with a specific ban [23:18] <faggetttss> or anyone that u talk with [23:18] <hehpillerpro_> No need to bullshit man. [23:18] <faggetttss> pm me here [23:18] <faggetttss> im open for discussion [23:18] <hehpillerpro_> I'm not gonna screen shot this. [23:18] <hehpillerpro_> You can be honest. [23:18] <faggetttss> im assuming you are anyway [23:18] <hehpillerpro_> Fair enough. [23:18] <faggetttss> if i didnt want to speak out of fear of being reposted, i wouldnt have replied to you [23:19] <hehpillerpro_> True, true. [23:19] <hehpillerpro_> Now, I came here to get into your mindset. [23:19] <hehpillerpro_> My goal is to understand. [23:19] <hehpillerpro_> So, do you think you've made your board better? [23:20] <faggetttss> if i had the power to magically make a board better i would have waved the magic wand on day one [23:20] <faggetttss> i can't even objectively say whether its better or worse [23:21] <hehpillerpro_> You always had that power, however it's nearly impossible for you to use. You see, your power is doing nothing. [23:21] <hehpillerpro_> And there is nothing more challenging for a moderator than doing nothing. [23:21] <faggetttss> because every poster will have a differing opinion on it anyway [23:21] <hehpillerpro_> So let them. [23:21] <faggetttss> some want an iron curtain with the banhammer [23:21] <hehpillerpro_> Why ban people for 4 weeks because they made a post you didn't like? [23:21] <faggetttss> some want the wild west in terms of moderation [23:21] <faggetttss> i dont [23:21] <hehpillerpro_> And what is the difference between the two groups? [23:21] <faggetttss> and i know u know who does [23:22] <hehpillerpro_> The former would ban those they disagree with, the latter lets them post. [23:22] <hehpillerpro_> I can understand banning spam, fine. [23:22] <hehpillerpro_> But you've gone to another level, and I wonder if you know it. [23:23] <faggetttss> again if u see bans that have been successfully repealed, its been me that does it [23:23] <faggetttss> in the board logs [23:23] <hehpillerpro_> Jesus man, are you serious? [23:24] <faggetttss> if i review a ban made by another hotpocketeer that is excessive i repeal it [23:24] <hehpillerpro_> 99.9% of them are excessive. [23:24] <faggetttss> altho ill look at ban lengths [23:24] <faggetttss> ill review whats active atm [23:24] <hehpillerpro_> The very idea that someone gets banned for 4 weeks for a shitpost is absurd. [23:25] <faggetttss> i'll review with fellow hotpocketeers [23:25] <hehpillerpro_> Have you read the Gulag Archipelago? [23:25] <hehpillerpro_> I'd recommend it. It really does explain why people like you do what they do. [23:25] <faggetttss> let me ask waht would u do [23:25] <faggetttss> let me get in ur mindset [23:25] <faggetttss> i know u either have a specific ban or scenario in mind [23:25] <faggetttss> i have not read it [23:25] <hehpillerpro_> Specific? Man... [23:26] <hehpillerpro_> You think this is personal? [23:26] <hehpillerpro_> I am using a proxy. [23:26] <hehpillerpro_> I can change it at will. [23:26] <faggetttss> general [23:26] <faggetttss> no i dont [23:26] <faggetttss> think its personal [23:26] <hehpillerpro_> I've opposed moderation since the majority of /b/tards supported Snacks. [23:26] <hehpillerpro_> My mindset is simple - mods are fags. [23:27] <hehpillerpro_> And I've been proven right every time. [23:27] <faggetttss> wll thats pretty much been a given [23:27] <faggetttss> even with me on the other side for a time [23:27] <hehpillerpro_> That's what the heh pill is my man [23:29] <hehpillerpro_> >even with me on the other side for a time [23:29] <hehpillerpro_> what do you mean by this? [23:29] <faggetttss> like i said ill review the ban time lengths with the other hotpocketeers [23:29] <hehpillerpro_> Dude cut the shit. [23:29] <faggetttss> cut what shit [23:30] <hehpillerpro_> You sound like rubio or some shit [23:30] <faggetttss> nice one [23:30] <hehpillerpro_> Well, I'll explain [23:30] <hehpillerpro_> My issue is with the systematic moderation on /pol/ [23:30] <faggetttss> go on [23:30] <hehpillerpro_> You say some bullshit about "well ill review xy and z" [23:31] <hehpillerpro_> It's a small step up a large staircase [23:31] <hehpillerpro_> and look man i dont even recommend you take that step [23:31] <hehpillerpro_> most /pol/ users want more moderation, if anything [23:31] <faggetttss> so what's at the top [23:31] <faggetttss> indeed they do hehpillerpro_ [23:31] <faggetttss> and im not about to nuke the fucking board [23:31] <hehpillerpro_> nobody reaches the top, but we come close sometimes [23:31] <faggetttss> over everyone screaming shill at every dissenting opinion [23:32] <hehpillerpro_> and why wouldnt they? [23:32] <hehpillerpro_> you guys encouraged it [23:32] <hehpillerpro_> shit you stickied a few of our shill threads, idk why [23:33] <faggetttss> there were some laughs to be gained from a couple of those [23:33] <faggetttss> shills crying shill at other shills [23:34] <hehpillerpro_> well that's all /intl/ cares about, shits and giggles, im glad you understand it in a specific sense but you should apply it generally [23:35] <faggetttss> oh im aware you guys are doing shit for laughs, and there is also an aspect on /pol/ for 'muh srs discussion' and happening threads and info dumps and a slew of toher things [23:35] <faggetttss> like i said b4, i wish there was a clear cut defined path we could follow as moderation [23:35] <faggetttss> *other [23:35] <hehpillerpro_> and the two aren't mutually exclusive, "shitposting" can go along with serious discussion [23:35] <faggetttss> and when i mentioned before that i will review ban lengths and things [23:36] <hehpillerpro_> why bother justifying it to me man? [23:36] <hehpillerpro_> again, im an evil intl shill [23:36] <faggetttss> dont take it from a perspective that im just trying to make it sound better to you [23:36] <hehpillerpro_> most /pol/ users want you to me irrational and strict [23:36] <faggetttss> because tbh im could give a flying fuck about making myself sound better to you [23:36] <hehpillerpro_> no shit dudder you are a mod [23:36] <faggetttss> i meant what i said you bullfucker [23:36] <faggetttss> :^)