01:24:56 @Tenicu how are things looking? 02:59:28 ~copypaste good 02:59:36 ~copypaste at least, on my end 03:00:05 ~copypaste vfec.8 will go live tonight, i'll redirect to it as many boards as it can handle 03:00:46 ~copypaste it can probably handle every non-top25 board based on local tests, but we will knwo for sure how it fares when working with the live site's mysql server 03:01:33 ~copypaste i do not think that n-tech has anything ready for a parallel test, because he would hae mentioned it when we met yesterday 03:01:36 ~copypaste i can be wrong though 03:01:44 ~copypaste vfec.8 will buy next some more much needed time 03:01:52 ~copypaste (if it works) 03:01:54 %n-tech vfec? 03:01:58 ~copypaste if not, the current broken state of affairs will continue 03:02:04 ~copypaste sure, it's the 25th tomorrow isn't it 03:02:33 ~copypaste are we doing a parallel test? 03:02:38 %n-tech no? 03:02:57 %n-tech I haven't worked on Next much at all since everyone just threw their hands up and gave up 03:03:06 ~copypaste ok so no parallel test 03:03:08 ~copypaste just like i thought 03:03:08 %n-tech I have no money and no motivation, literally every single person in the world just gave up 03:04:18 ~copypaste i was planning on testing next+varnish along with vfec+varnish tomorrow if it was ready 03:04:24 ~copypaste but i didn't think it was going to be ready 03:04:57 ~copypaste i have an old i5 server which was just decommissioned from 2ch for vfec.8ch.net 03:05:13 ~copypaste so it won't affect anything you've worked on, i won't be putting it on 05 or 08 03:05:16 %n-tech people are probably going to like it more because it's just vichan 03:05:27 ~copypaste if you are giving up though i would like those 2 back 03:05:32 ~copypaste i can put another mysql server on one 03:05:38 %n-tech it's very good to see that everyone joined hands and worked on this together like one big happy family 03:05:40 %n-tech that must be nice 03:06:06 ~copypaste 05 and 08 are the better servers 03:06:16 ~copypaste they're i7 sandy bridge, 14 is i5 sandy bridge 03:06:22 %n-tech take whatever you want mate it's your shit, no one seems to care anyways 03:06:24 ~copypaste also there's 2 of them versus 1 03:06:25 %n-tech so whatever 03:07:05 ~copypaste i care, but i don't know how to help you 03:07:17 ~copypaste if you have some other way i can help you other than give you mroe money 03:07:29 %n-tech you literally bragged about sitting around being unproductive and playing video games in December months after you abandoned every single thing I asked you to do 03:07:39 %n-tech You didn't create static pages, you didn't finish secure tripcodes 03:07:44 %n-tech and nobody for half a year wanted to help 03:07:53 ~copypaste those two things wouldn't solve the current situation 03:07:54 %n-tech The logic was that I was being paid so therefore nobody else should want to do anything 03:07:59 ~copypaste as unfortunate as not finishng them was 03:08:00 %n-tech no, but they'd show a token amount of effot 03:08:20 %n-tech you didn't do anything until I had problems, and your reaction was to start working on something else 03:08:31 %n-tech the only person in the entire world who gives a shit about Next is OdiliTime and he's not going to write code or finance this 03:08:40 %n-tech he's going to finance Endchan or whatever 03:09:13 ~copypaste i think sometihng happened irl to odili 03:09:18 ~copypaste he was always so careful about being doxed 03:09:29 ~copypaste now he seems to not care 03:09:31 ~copypaste perhaps he lost his job 03:11:35 %n-tech after fixing the issue with the captchas the site seems to load fast enough 03:11:53 ~copypaste so we should do a parallel test? 03:11:58 %n-tech the varnish thing doesn't seem appealing because to splice up the document (i.e. creating a different request per each action menu) involves 1 request per post 03:12:03 %n-tech so varnish seems less attractive as a result 03:12:14 %n-tech and I'm not sure how to go about writing varnish script so that it only caches anonymous or something 03:12:22 %n-tech mate idk. it's your site. next is as done as im going to get it. 03:12:38 %n-tech i've got enough to live on until the end of my term here 03:12:45 %n-tech after that I don't think anyone wants more of me 03:14:05 ~copypaste did you do any further testing after you fixed the captcha-ip-indexing problem? 03:14:16 %n-tech I don't have to. The site doesn't take 5 seconds to load 03:14:22 %n-tech people are casually using it to post egyptian girls 03:14:32 %n-tech average load time now is like 300ms 03:14:34 ~copypaste i mean load testing 03:14:36 %n-tech down from 10000ms 03:14:44 %n-tech I think they redirected /b/ 03:14:47 %n-tech and it worked 03:14:49 ~copypaste who is `they'? 03:14:51 %n-tech ron 03:14:53 ~copypaste ok 03:14:54 %n-tech before he gave up too 03:14:56 ~copypaste wait 03:14:57 %n-tech along with everyone else who gave up 03:15:00 ~copypaste why did he give up if /b/ worked? 03:15:04 ~copypaste this /b/ thing is new information to me 03:15:07 %n-tech because it has too many loops 03:15:12 ~copypaste lol, fuck the loops 03:15:16 ~copypaste i'm not getting into this again 03:15:25 %n-tech because it's on php and has too many loops and it's written by a lolcow who rapes and murders boys and women 03:15:30 %n-tech these are all things that make bad software 03:15:40 ~copypaste if /b/ worked why isn't /b/ still redirecting 03:15:46 %n-tech because everyone gave up 03:15:49 %n-tech and nobody likes next 03:15:50 ~copypaste who is everyone? 03:15:52 %n-tech they want vichan 03:15:56 %n-tech every single person who is currently alive 03:16:00 %n-tech and probably some who are dead 03:16:04 ~copypaste how did you fail to mention this also when we met 03:16:12 %n-tech because it was already a week old at that point 03:16:17 %n-tech i fixed it 2 days after we made an ultimatum 03:16:19 %n-tech everyone gave up 03:16:40 ~copypaste how many requests per second did it manage during this /b/ test 03:16:45 ~copypaste i was under the impression this test failed 03:16:48 %n-tech dunno. i wasn't doing the testing. 03:16:53 ~copypaste is beta.8ch.net still operational? can i do another test right now? 03:16:58 %n-tech if you'd like 03:17:00 ~copypaste ron must have had a reason to give up 03:17:01 ~copypaste i'll call him 03:17:03 ~copypaste thank you 03:17:04 %n-tech the loops 03:17:08 ~copypaste a real reason 03:17:12 ~copypaste that's hearsay 03:17:16 %n-tech he doesn't like me i dont think 03:17:25 %n-tech i sounded clueless when i started asking questions about "quadratic time" 03:17:31 %n-tech I'm not educated in programming, I just do programming 03:17:34 %n-tech so I don't know terminology. 03:17:52 ~copypaste quadratic time is O(n^2) i think 03:18:05 ~copypaste or is it O(2n^2) 03:18:09 ~copypaste either way it doesn't matter 03:18:18 &linear the 2n isn't important yeah 03:18:35 &linear quadratic is a polynomial of degree 2 03:19:01 &linear so n^2 and so on, but still polynomial 03:19:27 %n-tech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3hlRULLzDU 03:19:32 %n-tech i think this is going to be my giving up song 03:19:59 ~copypaste hahaha 03:20:01 ~copypaste oh man 03:20:04 ~copypaste anyway, i left ron a message 03:22:30 ~copypaste if next handled the load fine with the PGSQL thing fixed, i will pitch having RQI add varnish support using events to jim when i see him this friday. they know VCL already 03:22:43 ~copypaste either way i'm going forwards with vfec.8 to buy time 03:22:51 ~copypaste thank you for this information 03:23:16 %n-tech you should porbably just stick with whatever you're calling the front end thing 03:23:19 %n-tech it's vichan, that's what people want 03:23:20 ~copypaste perhaps i could even do it myself if i tried. i am partial to vichan though. as much as it sucks at least i know how it works 03:23:27 %n-tech everyone is going to jump ship when they have to deal with a new UI 03:23:33 ~copypaste everyone already has jumped ship 03:23:36 ~copypaste our bandwidth is down 50% 03:23:53 ~copypaste it doesn't much matter what we do at this point 03:24:19 ~copypaste 50% is a big jump from just blocking google images 03:24:27 ~copypaste i know why it's really down, and so does everyone here 03:24:42 ~copypaste hiroyuki is admining 4chan more fairly than moot, he added a news board even 03:24:55 ~copypaste and our broken cripplechan cannot compete with that 03:24:57 %nunufag that board is mostly dead though 03:24:59 ~copypaste that'd be all. thanks guys 03:25:02 %nunufag the news board he added 03:26:15 &linear posting isn't down as much yet 03:26:17 ~copypaste it's actually good our bandwidth is down, less of a financial hit. if VFEC works i can start winding down servers which are doing NFS work right now. then it will be more resilient if 4chan has another ``cuckening''. 03:26:18 &linear the site still has a userbase 03:26:38 %n-tech a userbase that hates everyone up at the top lol 03:26:41 ~copypaste i'm not crying over this, trust me. 03:26:55 &linear n-tech: a userbase that hates everyone* 03:27:05 ~copypaste ^ 03:28:10 ~copypaste most posts on imageboards are negative. actions and words are much different. do you think half the people who post on /pol/ would rail against niggers and jews in real life? it's just a place to blow off steam. it doesn't really matter even what you're talking about 03:28:14 ~copypaste for many imageboards are therapy 03:28:48 ~copypaste it doesn't bother me that we're not liked. every IB has a honeymoon period where the admins can do no wrong and the mods are gods 03:28:52 ~copypaste the honeymoon always ends 03:29:29 %n-tech the deck was stacked against me, i'll never understand this 03:29:32 %n-tech I really do have negative charisma 03:29:34 ~copypaste anyway, VFEC tomorrow. pitch varnish/VCL support for Next to Jim, reposess troi05 and troi08 03:29:39 ~copypaste my todo list 03:29:40 ~copypaste thanks 03:29:44 %n-tech People immediately, immediately decided they were all going to make their own projects 03:30:23 ~copypaste no one immediately decided anything. it took me weeks to dust off read.php after the intial problems began 03:30:24 &linear A lot of people were heavily biased against a PHP framework though 03:30:27 ~copypaste and three or four failed migrations 03:30:37 ~copypaste your timeline is all messed up in your head, so get it straight 03:30:45 %n-tech I'm not even talking about you 03:30:51 %n-tech you're so narcissistic 03:30:57 %n-tech The very same week Next was announced 03:31:04 ~copypaste lynxchan was around before next 03:31:05 %n-tech both Lynxchan and Czak's ruby Vichan2 were announced 03:31:17 ~copypaste czaks told me about the ruby chan before it too 03:31:17 %n-tech Lynx wanted to help with Next 03:31:21 %n-tech and in under a day he changed that 03:31:32 ~copypaste da, because they weren't going to be paid 03:31:45 ~copypaste they both pitched to me when they thought they may be paid 03:31:52 ~copypaste next had nothing to do with those 2 03:31:55 %n-tech and then they did it for free out of spite 03:32:05 ~copypaste czaks has released a prototype? 03:32:08 ~copypaste or is it just lynx? 03:32:37 %nunufag just lynx i think 03:32:48 %nunufag i didn't even know vichan2 was even a thing 03:33:26 ~copypaste czaks is my friend, although we don't always see eye to eye. we talked just a few days ago though, i was talking to him about my planned vichan commits and asked his ideas. he moved recently to warsaw and is looking for a job there 03:33:30 ~copypaste i highly doubt czaks has worked on a chan 03:33:53 ~copypaste someone came into #vichan-devel on 6irc asking czaks about repository activity and czaks says vichan is on hiatus 03:34:07 ~copypaste i keep into contact with hm regularly since we worked together for years before i met you 03:34:21 %n-tech Even if he did write not a single line he did say he would 03:34:23 ~copypaste he's unreliable and a bit of a drunk but i know him 03:34:33 %n-tech Vichan2 was a thing announced in the first Next thread, and he decided to maintain Infinity 03:34:58 ~copypaste czaks infinity maintenance consists of just keeping 8chan.pl alive, which he made way before next was announced 03:35:01 ~copypaste or is it 8ch.pl? 03:35:04 ~copypaste i forget the url 03:35:30 ~copypaste i remember him asking for help setting it up, people on vichan (pl.vichan.net) were asking him to let them make their own boards like 8chan 03:35:34 ~copypaste after 8chan became ``big'' 03:36:23 ~copypaste DOMAIN NAME: 8ch.pl 03:36:23 ~copypaste registrant type: individual 03:36:23 ~copypaste nameservers: ns2.chanowa.org. 03:36:23 ~copypaste s2.chanowa.org. 03:36:23 ~copypaste created: 2015.02.14 23:49:11 03:36:33 ~copypaste yes, just like i thought. i'm not losing my mind 03:37:11 ~copypaste czaks doesn't have it out for you. you've made these two into your own mental enemies for reasons that escape me. they didn't see you were working and then immediately team up against you. 03:37:42 ~copypaste czaks was only upset that i didn't choose to advertise his effort on 8chan over yours 03:37:47 ~copypaste as was lynx 03:38:56 %n-tech Lynx sends me creepy shit 03:39:07 %n-tech Like he shows up any time I'm mentioned, shills actively on beta. and /next/ 03:39:14 %n-tech He sent me weird messages on Twitter too 03:39:29 %n-tech He gives me Obamatron vibes 03:39:45 %n-tech I don't consider czaks my "enemy", and I never said that 03:39:52 %n-tech I just pointed out that anybody who could have helped did not 03:40:08 %n-tech A few heavy donators from /v/ supplied a few hundred dollars each per month and that's all that kept the project going 03:40:13 %n-tech Nobody else gave even a little code 03:40:22 %n-tech you made like 3 contributions total the entire year of 2015, uguu made 1 03:40:23 %n-tech the rest was me 03:40:33 ~copypaste so? 03:40:46 %n-tech it was easy to keep going when people were still like, excited 03:41:06 %n-tech through November to now every single person in the world decided I was Hitler incarnate 03:41:18 %n-tech and they seemed to prefer broken code that wasn't mine for the sake of it not being mine 03:41:21 %n-tech and it's like, why bother 03:41:26 %n-tech I cannot talk to people and win them over 03:41:29 %n-tech and my merits don't matter 03:41:32 %n-tech and nobody wants to get involved 03:41:34 %n-tech and nobody wants to fund it 03:41:37 %n-tech so there's no impetus 03:41:38 %n-tech nobody 03:41:39 %n-tech cares 03:41:44 ~copypaste people did fund it for 6 months 03:41:50 %n-tech and that time is over now 03:41:53 ~copypaste indeed 03:41:53 %n-tech nobody cares [anymore] 03:42:14 ~copypaste only so many migrations could fail before people give up. imagine being on the other side of the table 03:42:24 %n-tech Ron has also decided he doesn't want to work with me so that line is gone 03:42:28 ~copypaste especially with [most of] the site broken the whole time so a time element being involved 03:42:32 ~copypaste ah, i'm sorry to hear that 03:42:33 %n-tech everything I saw as so great leaving Japan is just dead now 03:43:27 ~copypaste if i were on the other side of the table i'd certainly be against us, because that's how chans work. mob mentality is strong, that's how 8chan became flush with users in the first place. 03:43:57 %n-tech 8chan was the only real hope at having an alternative to 4chan 03:44:17 %n-tech at least until nntpchan becomes a thing if ever 03:44:26 %n-tech part of what makes a chan fun is activity 03:44:27 ~copypaste if it does it will be for nerds only. you know how it is. 03:44:32 %n-tech it doesn't matter how strong the groundwork is if nobody uses it 03:45:56 ~copypaste okay. i'm going to let users know my plans, and get to work on setting up the vfec.8 server tonight. i hope it works, just that something works through all this failure. 03:46:27 ~copypaste i'll pitch varnish support for next on friday. i can probably get approval because i'll soon be the manager there anyway. 03:47:17 ~copypaste if i can't, i can get approval once i actually become the manager and know who's working on what and who is free and pitch it with more knowledge, but that won't be for a whle due to visa issues for the outgoing manager 03:48:18 ~copypaste i think i'll also talk to czaks some more, since he has no job. 8chan still has 10BTC in reserve. 03:48:28 ~copypaste he takes payment in bitcoin only. 03:48:35 ~copypaste since you've given up and aren't staff please part here. 03:48:53 %n-tech lol, why do you do this 03:49:04 %n-tech [express hopelessness because nobody cares] 03:49:16 %n-tech [reaffirm hopelessness] [say that you're going to pay someone else] [get mad at me] 03:49:20 %n-tech you're destructive as fuck 03:49:29 %n-tech you constantly prune useful people around you in bizarre fits 03:49:39 %n-tech and seriously, if you're going to be all holier than thou 03:49:44 %n-tech I fucking carried you like an infant 03:49:48 %n-tech you asked me to empty your piss jars 03:49:55 %n-tech if you're going to pull this fucking shit on me 03:49:58 %n-tech you are the worst kind of person 03:50:08 ~copypaste do you want to stay in here? is that why you're so mad right now? 03:50:24 %n-tech I want you to stop being a bizarre sociopathic hobgoblin that treats people like tools 03:50:48 %n-tech like oh boy i have the joshhammer the czakswrench and the lynxdrill 03:50:51 %n-tech what am i going to fix this problem with 03:50:56 %n-tech i just have so much money and so many options 03:50:59 %n-tech well the joshhammer sure is heavy 03:51:01 %n-tech better get rid of him 03:51:07 ~copypaste you've expressed the situation is hopeless, i can't convince you otherwise (i'm not even going to try), so i'm coming up with an alternate plan 03:51:14 %n-tech exactly, you're not even going to try 03:51:17 %n-tech you're not going to pitch ideas 03:51:22 %n-tech or huddle up and think of stuff 03:51:23 ~copypaste i have none to pitch 03:51:24 %n-tech you're just going to give up 03:51:29 %n-tech and when the next thing fails 03:51:32 %n-tech you're going to give up on that 03:51:39 %n-tech and then you'll give up on 8chan and work on 2ch with Jim 03:51:43 %n-tech and live happily ever after 03:51:49 %n-tech and everyone else you've met along the way 03:51:52 %n-tech can go fuck themselves 03:52:09 ~copypaste how would you solve the current problem? 03:52:31 %n-tech What is the current problem? 03:52:34 ~copypaste i'm not meeting you at an emotional level because this is not an emotional problem, it's a technical problem 03:52:48 %n-tech That's the first step. precisely diagnosis the issue. 03:52:54 %n-tech You don't even know what's holding it back anymore 03:52:58 %n-tech You have no idea what the issue even is 03:53:09 ~copypaste right which is why i called ron 03:53:18 ~copypaste i was done ten minutes ago, waiting for more info 03:53:25 ~copypaste then you continued with the hopelessness line 03:53:27 %n-tech Why would Ron know? 03:53:33 ~copypaste because as you said above, he did the test 03:53:38 %n-tech Ron looked around at some stack traces and bitched about loops before fucking off to fix your thing 03:53:39 ~copypaste and he came to the independent conclusion of hopelessness 03:53:52 %n-tech I was wrong, we didn't test after I fixed the issue. 03:53:57 %n-tech I was going to add Varnish too but encounterd a problem 03:53:59 %n-tech and I finally faltered. 03:54:16 %n-tech It was between fixing the pgsql and captcha issue and deciding to move forward with Varnish 03:54:21 ~copypaste ok, so all the reasoning above is built on incorrect facts 03:54:22 %n-tech that my big fuse finally burnt out 03:55:28 ~copypaste so really what we need to do is a parallel test, which is what i thought an hour ago when i said 03:55:29 ~copypaste 03:02:33 ~copypaste are we doing a parallel test? 03:55:39 %n-tech I don't know if we're ready for a parallel test 03:55:40 ~copypaste sigh 03:55:52 %n-tech I don't know anything at this point, it's been a week since I touched coude 03:55:53 %n-tech code* 03:55:59 ~copypaste yes i know that 03:58:23 ~copypaste so, here's the correct diagnosis of the problem. Next is still promising, but the lead developer wants to quit due to a combination of a loss of user support, a lack of funds and feeling as if even those who can make the decisions are against him. 03:58:31 ~copypaste so it is an emotional issue and not a technical one and i was wrong 03:58:33 ~copypaste is that right? 03:58:52 %n-tech As far as I know. I don't know what the next step is and no one is involved enough for it to matter. 03:59:08 ~copypaste okay. to be honest i also think the situation is hopeless. 03:59:17 ~copypaste we're more on the same page than you know 03:59:41 ~copypaste it seems like it's just one thing after another 04:00:04 ~copypaste the blind cannot lead the blind. i can't lead you out of hopelessness when i am myself hopeless. 04:00:54 ~copypaste i think next can be gotten to work, but that you are rightfully burned out. 04:01:44 ~copypaste i mean, you've worked on this for over six months. you've barely left your apartment since you started, and it's pretty much all you've thought of. i have no idea how to motivate someone so profoundly burned out, especially with failed migration after failed migration 04:01:57 ~copypaste odili, by the way, is also of the opinion that next can be gotten to work. we also talked about it. 04:02:06 %n-tech he's one of the only remaining lights 04:02:20 ~copypaste he's also of the opinion that Varnish will help 04:02:31 %n-tech The issue with varnish is the bits of responsive content 04:02:36 ~copypaste definitely not in a split-page way though 04:02:37 %n-tech I don't know how I would get the lists to work 04:02:48 %n-tech well, there's not much else to be done 04:02:52 ~copypaste you would have the application set a logged in cookie, varnish would read that 04:03:04 ~copypaste and pass requests down where the user is logged in (ignore the cache) 04:03:08 %n-tech most people who will be logged in will not have general permissions 04:03:24 ~copypaste it's fine. varnish only has to cache to most-common-case to be successful 04:03:31 %n-tech i imagine most will even have an account at some point, especially if we add a monetized captcha pass thing. 04:03:52 %n-tech That's why I wanted to exclude specific parts of the page 04:03:55 ~copypaste i don't think so. maybe more people would log in in that case, but not most 04:04:05 ~copypaste chans are 90% lurkers. i have logs to prove it 04:04:23 %n-tech the issue with trying to get varnish to work that way is that Laravel works using a singular token 04:04:28 %n-tech There is the laravel_session cookie and nothing else 04:04:36 %n-tech from that all other meaningful information is derived 04:04:54 ~copypaste simple patch. on log in set_cookie, on logout set_cookie(cookie_name, null, 0) 04:05:01 ~copypaste it's a hack, yes. 04:05:58 ~copypaste i know laravel uses its one cookie, but nothing stopping adding another. they didn't overload that function, did they? 04:06:13 ~copypaste they may even have a class which does it. `Cookie( ﾟ〜ﾟ )et` or whatever. 04:06:19 ~copypaste lol, sorry. my auto smiley kicked in 04:06:27 %n-tech No, there's a facade to do that 04:06:30 %n-tech A cookie:: facade 04:06:34 %n-tech it's a simple process but I fear hacks 04:06:50 %n-tech the code is relatively well held together for being made by one psychopath over the course of a full pregnancy term 04:07:40 %n-tech Okay 04:07:56 %n-tech we can do an laravel_user_id cookie 04:08:00 %n-tech but all this will be is an integer 04:08:09 %n-tech if it's anything other than an integer or a not set at all 04:08:13 %n-tech varnish can cache anything not in /cp/ 04:08:18 %n-tech that will be like 90% of requests 04:08:29 ~copypaste that's fine. VCL provides this via req.http.Cookie 04:08:32 ~copypaste it will work well i imagine 04:11:51 ~copypaste i'll let the sociopathic hobgoblin thing go. i am pretty crazy, i know. i also will leave troi05 and troi08 alone. let me know how it goes n-tech 04:12:09 ~copypaste i'll continue with the thing i worked on to give more time, but if you can do it by tonight i'll drop it 04:12:17 ~copypaste and we can do another test 04:12:47 ~copypaste if not, even if i do make vichan work better i'm still behind next, no matter how many people leave over the UI or whatever 04:13:02 %n-tech I would advise, internally, setting expectations after I've gotten off Linode entirely and we meet up with that guy in Kapputtatn or whatever 04:13:12 ~copypaste the sheer amount of time and hacks it will take to make vichan like next is frightening 04:13:27 ~copypaste OK 04:14:14 ~copypaste court is adjourned. i know that nunufag is sitting there reading every line of this and taking notes 04:14:32 ~copypaste hello nunufag, how are you? 04:14:38 %nunufag fine 04:14:56 %nunufag how are you copypaste 04:15:04 ~copypaste quite well for a sociopathic hobgoblin 04:15:11 %nunufag lel 04:30:18 -- Nicks #8chan-staff: [~copypaste &Hachi-chan &linear &lowcard &reports @dvt555 @guy9000 @JEWS @pantsuwotaberu @Schnee @Somanyanons @Tenicu @toolshed @zerosugar %faggetttss %kalotte %n-tech %nunufag [Desu] ls] 04:30:18 -- Channel #8chan-staff: 20 nicks (14 ops, 4 halfops, 0 voices, 2 normals) I think things are pretty much settled but call Ron anyway. He tells me... 1) He never gave up on Next; 2) He never said that for-loops or ``quadratic time'' was the problem; 3) He never withdrew a job offer that Josh was going to use to support himself. With this new information I confronted Josh: 12:38:03 ~copypaste n-tech: we need to talk when you get back on 12:48:57 %n-tech @ copypaste, pm 12:54:58 ~copypaste that pause was me locking things down. i hope i got everything. 12:54:59 ~copypaste n-tech: hi, sorry, no can do. we started this here and have to end it here. i was thinking of letting this go but it's eating at me. i called ron shortly after our conversation was over. he said that he never told you he wouldn't pay you for that unrelated contract. he also said that he never gave up on next, and the last thing he said to you was that he was going to be out for a few days 12:54:59 ~copypaste but offered his help to you fi you needed it. why would you lie to me about this? did you think i woldn't really call him? 12:55:23 ~copypaste i can't work with people who lie to me. no matter what job they're doing. 12:55:34 %n-tech I didn't lie to you, I made assumptions based on his actions 12:55:36 ~copypaste ron and i tried to also understand this. 12:55:40 %n-tech I told you exactly what I believed. 12:55:52 ~copypaste except you didn't preface it with "i believe" 12:56:05 %n-tech Is that not implied? This is what I believe so that's why I'm saying it? 12:56:20 %n-tech Ron basically stopped talking to me, dismissed everything I said, talked down to me, began working on Infinity's front-end controller 12:56:26 ~copypaste i also showed ron the conversation and he didn't get the belief thing either 12:56:38 %n-tech So you think I am actively manipulating you for what purpose 12:56:49 ~copypaste i'm not sure why 12:56:57 %n-tech So do you not think that is a problem in your logic 12:56:59 ~copypaste but i don't have to know why 12:57:02 %n-tech Or do you think I am horribly irrational 12:57:04 %n-tech Okay 12:57:21 ~copypaste not really, mochi manipulates me all the time. it makes sense to her but never to me 12:57:28 ~copypaste i view that like this 12:57:56 ~copypaste she left me here alone for 36 hours with no warning a few days ago. i told you about it. i'm sure lying to me and telling me she got in a taxi accident after leaving her cousin's made perfect sense to her 12:58:13 ~copypaste but when i brought her cousin here and came to the truth, well 12:58:15 %n-tech You are comparing me to an uneducated Filipina cleaning lady. 12:58:27 ~copypaste yes, i am. 12:58:38 %n-tech I'll tell you how it appears to me. If you still don't care that's on you. 12:58:45 ~copypaste sure 12:59:21 %n-tech I worked tirelessly on this project and every single time I appealed to you or anyone you know I was shut down. Jim Watkins shuffled out of a coffee shop in a tantrum after I refused to close my source's code. You repeatedly failed me when I asked you to help me with the simplest tasks. Trying to get Ron to help led to being berated and belittled over technical aspects like for loops. 12:59:42 ~copypaste ron said he never did that as well 12:59:57 ~copypaste he said he gave you a short lesson about big O notation, but didn't say that Next was hopeless, or that it was hopeless because of for-loops 01:00:12 %n-tech Aside from Odili and Johann I have been emotionally battered and repeatedly failed by you and the people you come into contact with. I am currently at the lowest point of the entire project and when I appeal to you, you confide that you are also hopeless and are now accusing me of being a liar and an emotional manipulator when I have been frank and honest with you for almost a year now. 01:00:15 ~copypaste we compared logs. the last thing he said to you was that he was going to be out for a few days, which was the truth 01:00:26 ~copypaste ron has no reason to lie to you, he's a very busy person. i only call him if it's an emergency. 01:00:34 ~copypaste or to me. 8chan is nothing to him but a toy. 01:00:40 %n-tech He gave up on the project, I don't know how that isn't obvious 01:00:47 ~copypaste he said to me he didn't 01:00:53 %n-tech Well I wish I had known that 01:00:56 ~copypaste i think it's obvious to you because you're projecting on other people 01:01:02 ~copypaste and went a week just building this narrative 01:01:03 %n-tech And you're not doing the same? 01:01:12 %n-tech I understand your point of view but you don't appear to understand mine 01:01:26 %n-tech The amount of time, effort, energy, money, and physical freedom I've given up to make it this far is tremendous 01:01:35 %n-tech And every single time I hit a bump you act like it's all over and I never gave a shit 01:01:37 %n-tech It's infuriating 01:02:47 ~copypaste more projection. this is the first time i've locked you out. everyone here who knows me knows that if i feel something is really wrong that's what i do. i have never felt like something was really wrong before. i'm not good at giving emotional support to people, that's true. i'm a systems admin, not a concellor(sp). 01:03:15 %n-tech Dealing with people is a part of the job. 01:03:20 %n-tech You can't treat everyone like your maids. 01:03:28 %n-tech StephenLynx will never help you now because of how you've treated him. 01:03:37 %n-tech I hope you're confident in your choices. 01:03:44 %n-tech Bye. 01:03:47 << n-tech (~n-tech@dont.fail.me.now.fullchan) has left #8chan-staff (Leaving) 01:03:49 ~copypaste i haven't treated you like a maid. i found you an apartment, i helped you set up servers, i vouched for you before 8chan's users and before its owners 01:03:51 ~copypaste goodbye. 01:03:58 ~copypaste well, that's over. 01:03:59 %nunufag wow 01:04:32 ~copypaste i have a full clone of infinity-next. i will pitch to jim and RQI to continue it. 01:04:49 ~copypaste i will continue with my VFEC. i've also been talking to lynx, he says he'll add some stuff that's important to 8chan. 01:04:58 ~copypaste i can't have liars around me. you all know that. i just can't do it. 01:05:16 ~copypaste someone who will lie to me about a small thing will later lie about a big thing. it always happens. 01:05:26 ~copypaste and ron canceling his contracting isn't even a small thing. 01:05:43 %nunufag josh honestly seems very stressed at this point, i mean considering his entire life has been infinty next for these past few months 01:05:57 %nunufag maybe he just needs to cool off? 01:06:41 ~copypaste he made his choice. no explanation for his lies other than i believe them to be true. 01:06:47 ~copypaste i believe donald trump will be the next president of the US. 01:07:12 ~copypaste i feel like i'm going to throw up, so i'm going to lay down. VFEC is delayed for a day. thanks guys. if you have any problems with how i handled this please feel free to let me know. 01:07:31 ~copypaste i just, he even told me that he won't work on Next until i go with some guy in katipunan to find drugs for him. 01:07:35 ~copypaste i can't do this anymore. 01:08:04 ~copypaste 04:13:02 %n-tech I would advise, internally, setting expectations after I've gotten off Linode entirely and we meet up with that guy in Kapputtatn or whatever 01:08:08 ~copypaste that's what that was about. 01:10:59 %faggetttss oh wow 01:11:39 %faggetttss withdrawl is a bitch i guess 01:12:42 %nunufag well it wouldn't be *dramachan* without drama in the irc aswell :^) 01:13:07 &linear faggetttss: It's for modafinial or something similar, so that's not the case, I think he just thought it'd help him concentrate/work/etc 01:13:20 ~copypaste yes it's not withdrawals. 01:13:33 >> n-tech (~n-tech@dont.fail.me.now.fullchan) has joined #8chan-staff 01:13:33 -- Mode #8chan-staff [+h n-tech] by Hachi-chan 01:13:38 %faggetttss ohhhhhhhhhh 01:13:39 %faggetttss ok 01:13:43 ~copypaste 01:03:49 ~copypaste i haven't treated you like a maid. i found you an apartment, i helped you set up servers, i vouched for you before 8chan's users and before its owners 01:13:43 ~copypaste 01:03:51 ~copypaste goodbye. 01:13:43 ~copypaste 01:03:58 ~copypaste well, that's over. 01:17:50 << n-tech (~n-tech@dont.fail.me.now.fullchan) has left #8chan-staff 01:18:00 ~copypaste i guess he joined for that ? 01:18:28 @toolshed Hopefully josh was right about people hating him and not his code, so the userbase lets some steam off when you tell then that he left? 01:18:38 &linear They hate both.